Tuesday 22 December 2009

musings

I’m down in lymington, hants, at parents’ new house and near brother’s family. Cousin Ian’s wedding in dorset on Saturday.
Was at Carl and Gail’s church yesterday, Lymington Baptist. A very creative audiovisual presentation of the Christmas message of the incarnation. Apparently there are seventy ‘sextillion’ stars in the known universe (who said science couldn‘t be racy!). The point being made that God the creator must be pretty big. Now hold fire, atheists. I myself sometimes feel the connection between ‘awesome universe’ and ‘big God’ can be made a bit too easily and sound a tad trite. What followed was the point that at Christmas, the lord of the universe was humbled to a baby in a manger. Contemporary christian apologetic and communication has for some time treated such ‘radical paradox’ or ‘extreme dramatic irony’ as a one of its hottest playing cards, unique selling points. Another favourite is the concept of grace, that you begin with acceptance by God as a platform for joyful service and pursuit of holiness - reversing the widespread idea of ritual and discipline as a route to or condition for acceptance. No question that these counter-intuitive reversals and paradoxes are at the heart of Christianity’s attractiveness - what help make it a ‘big idea’. Perhaps their emphasis is a key way to break down prejudice and barriers?

I’m thinking about the nature of Cn witness, trying to grasp more of the big picture. I’m engaged in a constant process of integration, endeavouring to see how the message of the gospel intersects with vast and inevitable human processes, eg the reality that people get set in their thought patterns and views, as adults, and become increasingly closed to change, and are daily swept away in their thousands by the grim reaper. Cheery eh? The human heart gets wrapped up in material comfort, and as my minister uncle put it, it takes ‘hard times’ to recreate an openness to spiritual reality.
I’m reading Richard Holloway’s ‘doubts and loves’. he advocates a theology of praxis instead of a theology of positivism, by which he means it’s more important to follow the way of Jesus than to believe the right things about him. He’s inclined to regard much of what the bible says, including the resurrection, as metaphor. A problem here is that the gospel narratives themselves contain earthy, flesh and blood detail. And he is suspicious of doctrine about Jesus, wary of folk who insist on regarding him in a particular way, or as ‘Lord of all’. Behind this is a suspicion of totalising systems. Paul though - his imagination was clearly captured by the idea of Christ as all-encompassing, and it‘s difficult to see how you can be passionate about believing in and following Jesus if you limit him as holloway appears to do…

4 comments:

Billy said...

eg the reality that people get set in their thought patterns and views, as adults, and become increasingly closed to change,

My irony meter just exploded :-)

Tell me Bruce, what evidence would convince you that Santa existed? What would convince you that god didn't exist?

Never heard the big god strawman before. What it does argue is that the universe is big enough and old enough for life to arise through "chance".

I have heard many Christians say Holloway is not limiting Jesus. I have heard others be very nasty about him. The point is that when it comes to it, his fans or those who liik forwad to him burning in hell have no objective starting point to build any truth claims - it's all your own subjective interpretations/needs and prejudices that shape your image of what god should be. Those who hate gays want an angry god. Those who are creationists border on a legalistic god. Those who are needy want a cuddly god and so on.....
I actually find that hardship makes the concept of your god seem all the more improbable.

It is a sign that you dont have an argument when you start blaming unwillingness to change for people not wanting to believe. It is like an inability to accept that there may actually be nothing in the tales that the bible tells.

If Jesus appears before me, I'll believe. Now, suppose I ask you to believe that my invisible mate Dave exists. You may well demand proof that he does. Now, suppose I say it's up to Dave to appear to whoever he wants, would you not Just go "aye right! Dave my ****!" Why should you expect a different response when you make up excsuses for Jesus not popping by for a pint?

Have a good holiday

Billy said...

FYI, christian's don't have the monopoly on persecution http://iambilly.wordpress.com/
2009/12/18/the-dangers-of-saying-
happy-holidays/

rob said...

The radical centralist R.C. position is that the church should express the gospel in a way that it understands it historically and at the same equally be prepared to accept all the weird and wonderful ways that people interpret that gospel and put it into practice.

In the language of the bicycle : There is the hub and there is the Tyre and its just that everyone keeps arguing about the spokes....

Don't know if that makes any sense. I see where holloway is coming from - and I have no problem with his own belief - or his charism shall we say. I think the danger with deconstruction is that the deconstructers break things down in their own terms and then strangely try to legislate them onto other people - and we end up with another totalising system called the antitotalising system of holloway and co.

I am of course proposing anti - dis- establishment - tarianism. Which really means it is time for me to call it quits as well !

Bruce said...

cheers guys, as ever your comments are grist to the cogitating mill. i like your comment billy about jesus popping up for a pint for the alliteration besides awt else, and rob i agree about anti-totalising rhetoric often becoming totalitarian itself.
as a counter, 2 things i heard lately i like:
'everything in moderation, including moderation', and 'all generalisations are false, including this one'.